Belief, part 2

What follows is the transcript of a discussion on my facebook wall regarding the entry 'Belief,' which was posted this morning.  I am posting the transcript from Facebook for archival purposes, and for those reading this site who do not use Facebook. The next post (part 3) will be my response, and would make little sense without this transcript.

 Rachel Turner at 8:35am March 31
Yes!!! One of my best friends is Muslim. Oh, the grief she has received because she's not of the mainstream religion in this country. So much for freedom of religion.
 
 
 Amy Qualls-McClure at 8:51am March 31
Same with John and Fahmida. It just makes me crazy, and one of the things I hate the most about living in this part of the country. It's like that part of the Constitution doesn't count. Grr.
 
 
 Amy Qualls-McClure at 8:52am March 31
And, worth noting? John and Fahmida need to have more kids. The world needs more kids like theirs. :)
 
 
 
 Lissa Potter at 8:59am March 31
Hate speech. Sometimes I wonder if the Germans don't have a more practical response to hate speech than we do.
 
 
 Ricky Ellis at 9:19am March 31
I THINK THE RELIGION IN AMERCIA IN CHRISTANTY....AND IF YOUR DIFFERNT ..THATS GREAT.....BUT DONT TRY A PUSH UR RELIGION INTO AMERICA!!!

I STAND FOR GOD.......ANYTHING ELSE IS WRONG!!

 
 Lissa Potter at 9:30am March 31
"Conform or die eternally" is just more proof that this is a Christian country.
 
 
 
 David Bavousett at 9:35am March 31
Ricky: No need to shout. And unbelievers don't much care for Christianity being pushed onto them, either. But it happens All. The. Time. Amy, thanks for posting this.
 
 
 Rachel Turner at 9:40am March 31
I stand for an individual's right to choose his or her own personal religion whether that religion is Christianity, Paganism, Islam, Hinduism, or none at all.

The ones who shout not to have someone else's religion pushed onto them are usually the same ones who are doing the very same thing to others with their own brand of truth. It goes both ways.

 
 Ricky Ellis at 9:57am March 31
Yall are just listening to the devil.....and now he tells you im crazy......so ill pray for you to be happy and im not pushing nothing on anyone.....im tryn to save your soul....the devil loves for you to dought!!

GOD SAYS " I SHALL QUESTION YOU AND YOU SHALL ANSWER""

Just tell him not to shout" when he asks you" see what he says!!! ...  Read More

Im sorry to say that all your words against godly ways...well you will see soon enuff!!

I CAN PROMICE YOU THIS ....IN YOUR LAST MINUTES OF LIFE...YOU WILL ASK GOD TO HELP...IV SEEN IT HAPPEN PERSONALY!!!

SO JUST KEEP DOUGHTING....AND YOU WILL LOSE!!

 
 Lissa Potter at 9:58am March 31
Yum...doughtnuts!
 
 
 
 David Bavousett at 10:03am March 31
Ricky, since you don't know me, it's really judgmental of you to tell me who I'm listening to. Please stop. I also do not want my soul saved, so please stop trying. I neither desire nor request the charity of your prayer time--I'm the happiest I've been in my life, right now, so you need not pray for that, either.

And...seriously, dude...if you want to get taken seriously, learn to spell. Really.

 
 Ricky Ellis at 10:03am March 31
SPIRIT OF CONFUSMENT.......YOU CAN NOT TALK THREW THESE PEOPLE TO ME...IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ..I REBUKE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR KIND!!

I PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD MANY DOUGHTS....GOD PLEASE DO NOT LOOK PAST THESE PEOPLE FOR THEY DONT NOT KNOW WHO THERE HEAVENLY FATHER IS.....IM CALLING FOR YOU JESUS TO TOUCH THE LIFES OF MANY PEOPLE WHO ...  HASNT SEEN THE WAY ....PLEASE DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER .....TAKE THERE MINDS AWAY FROM EVIL!! GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE IN THERE SOUL.......AND WERE THEY MUST GO!!

AMEN

 
 Ricky Ellis at 10:09am March 31
PLEASE DONT TELL ME WHAT YOUR DEAL IS ...I CANT HELP YOU.....AND IF MY SPELLING ISNT 100% RIGHT......WELL IM GLAD THATS THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE!!

DUDE.........SERIOUSLY........IM GLAD YOUR HAPPY....MAYBE ILL SHAKE YOUR HAND IN HEAVEN!!

 
 Richard Trice at 10:11am March 31
LOL. Seriously. LOL.
 
 
 
 Rachel Turner at 10:12am March 31
Wow.
I'm almost embarrassed for all of my Christian friends.

Ricky--you pray for me and I'll think for you.

 
 Lissa Potter at 10:14am March 31
Prayer is nothing without works. Go feed the hungry or something.
 
 
 
 David Bavousett at 10:15am March 31
Thank you, Rachel. One part of Christianity that is really glaringly true is in Luke 6, concerning fruits, and the concept of "by your fruits you shall be known." I like yours better than Ricky's...the fruits of a clod-kicking uneducated hillbilly are...unappealing.
 
 Richard Trice at 10:17am March 31
This is why you don't pet the animals. Sometimes they start making noise and/or bite!
 
 
 
 Katie Kellert at 10:35am March 31
Good grief. See, this is why I transplanted myself to somewhere that, at least if someone doesn't like how you worship, they keep their mouths shut. (And it doesn't hurt that I drive to work down a road containing almost any kind of house of worship you can imagine, cheek by jowl with one another.) I'd never have been able to be so gracious, Amy, kudos to you. And kudos to the rest of us who choose to think rationally for ourselves and learn to spell. ;)
 
 Ricky Ellis at 10:42am March 31
OMG.....FIGHTING ON THE INTERNET.....IS LIKE RUNNING IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS......YOUR NOT GETTING ANYWERE!!

SORRY TO BE SO STRONG IN WHAT I BELIEVE....I DIDNT KNOW YALL WERE LOOKING TO RUN OVER SOMEONE FOR WHAT THEY BELEIVE.....!!

I GUESS IF I WAS A MUSLIM ...YOU WOULD LOVE ME!!

 
 Lissa Potter at 10:44am March 31
Fanatics of any religion or none at all are annoying to everyone who does not share their fanaticism.

I don't much care for Yankees fans, either, for the same reason.

 
 Ricky Ellis at 10:45am March 31
DAVID YOUR NAME CALLING ...AND POINTING THE FINGER AT SOMEONE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE....WELL LETS JUST SAY...IM NOT LOWERING MYSELF TO YOUR CLASS!!

NICE OF YOU PEOPLE TO ATTACK ME.....THANKS!!

 
 Lissa Potter at 10:48am March 31
You just did lower yourself, David. Actually, "just" is incorrect.
 
 
 
 Richard Trice at 10:49am March 31
Ricky you're the best!
 
 
 
 David Bavousett at 10:55am March 31
Katie: Indeed; that's part of why I'm excited to be moving up there, too.

Ricky, I'm sorry if you feel attacked, at least by me. It's the magic of the internet, though--if you want to be viewed as an intelligent human being, you need to act like one. If you want to be taken as an uneducated fanatic...well, you're doing great. Keep it up.

don't know you, so I honestly will admit that I don't know what you're like in real life..but this online face you've put up is really annoying. If that's not the real you, surely you can do better.

 
 Ricky Ellis at 11:03am March 31
I COULD CARE LESS IS YOU THINK IM INTELLIGENT.....!!

PLUS WHAT KIND OF INTELLIGENTINCE IS IT WHEN YOU CALL SOMEONE OUT ON SPELLING ON FACEBOOK!!

OIZAUSGHFIUNASIURNETPAUIW!! HOWS THAT FOR YA!!!...  Read More

I BET YOUR SO INTELLIGENT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT SAYS........HAHAHHAHA!!

 
 Ricky Ellis at 11:05am March 31
YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE ...DUDE!!

IM STILL GONNA PRAY FOR YOU!!

IM SORRY GODS WORDS ARE SO ANNOYING TO YOU!!!

 
 David Bavousett at 11:12am March 31
It's not just your spelling that shows you to be an uneducated, fanatical, rude person, Ricky. As for the line of gibberish you typed to messages ago, you ought to call it "speaking in tongues", and go make a lot of money with it. Plenty of people would call that a "word from God," I'm sure.

God's words aren't annoying--yours are. Pray for me, ...  Read Moreif you like, but it's a waste of time. If it makes you feel good, though, go for it.

Did the rest of you notice that Ricky still has not chosen to turn his caps-lock off? This isn't a religion thing, Ricky, it's an internet rudeness thing. You're being rude, like farting or picking your nose in public, and it really doesn't help anyone's impression of you.

 
 Ricky Ellis at 11:18am March 31
LET IT GO DAVID....FIND SOMETHING TO DO....IM SURE YOUR JUST TRYN TO LAND A WOMEN ONLINE!!

I LEFT MY CAPS ON ....I KNEW IT WOULD BOTHER SUCH AN
INTELLIGENT MAN!!

NNNNEEEEERRRDDD!!!

 
 David Bavousett at 11:22am March 31
*chuckle* No, I'm not trying to pick up women online. Yes, I am a nerd, and I get paid a ton of money to be one.

Jesus loves you, but I think you're an asshat. Have a great day.

 
 Lynette Miles at 12:52pm March 31
Wow, that's rather impressive. All of us 'unbelievers' know how to spell and use proper grammar (and several of the beleivers as well, I see.) If I had a guess, I'd suspect that God, in whatever form, could properly communicate with those he chooses. That means "God knows how to spell." Do you pray in caps lock also?

See, my god? My god really doesn't actually care if you know how to spell, though it helps. My god says "Dude. Don't be a dick. Mind your own business for the most part, but be there for someone in pain. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one." And you? You should pull up your pants. Your opinion is showing.

 
 David Bavousett at 1:01pm March 31
Lynette, mine says just about the same thing! "Be good to each other, take care of the creation, use what you've got the best you can." We should compare notes some time.
 
 
 Emily Nelms at 1:06pm March 31
Rock it, Amy. Thanks for speaking out for the entire community... God's community... since, after all, he did create the *world* and all in it. :)

Plus, I'm dying to read what else this might spark, so I *had* to put my two cents in.

 
 Brian Richardson at 1:08pm March 31
"I THINK THE RELIGION IN AMERCIA IN CHRISTANTY" ... um, whut? Try reading the Bill of Rights sometime. Freedom of religion means you get to pick faith as an individual, not what others decide for you. If you need the government to verify your faith through the force of law then your faith is weak.
 
 Ricky Ellis at 2:07pm March 31
LOOK AT THE DAMN NERDS......OOOO MY!!!!

TRYN TO PUT THERE BRAINS TOGATHER TO FIGURE OUT WHATS GOING ON...HAHHAHA!!

I DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF THOUGHT TO FIGURE OUT GOD RULES....YES!!...  Read More

GGGGOOOOODDD RULES!!!

EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHAT NERDS CAME UP WITH.....!!

RELAX...YOUR THINKING WAY TO HARD!!

 
 Wendy Qualls at 2:11pm March 31
I'm a pretty mainline Protestant Christian, and I frequently run into things here in the Bible belt that make me cringe for the future of my religion. Emails like this are one of them - not the fact that the email exists, but that it keeps getting forwarded!
 
 Lynette Miles at 2:16pm March 31
I gotta say, at least the rest of this bunch seems to have some level of brain, collective as well as otherwise. Since god gave us those brains, I figure that it's probably a good idea to go ahead and use it.
 
 David Bavousett at 2:30pm March 31
Lynette, I've always thought so, too. Part of my de-conversion came about when a pastor told me that I shouldn't be thinking so much. If God gave me this brain, he or she did it for a reason, and it probably wasn't to be a spacer for my ears.

Consider the logic:

1. God made everything, therefore he made you, brain and all
2. Your brain gets in the way of faith in God.
3. ... (Reductio ad absurdum.)

The fact that it's absurd doesn't seem to bother some. I'll probably get poked at for using Latin in a post, which won't do anything to clarify the matter, of course.

 
 Lynette Miles at 2:39pm March 31
David: ZOMG LATIN YOU FILTHY INTELLECTUAL YOU.

ahem. That made me crack up.

 
 David Bavousett at 2:50pm March 31
Lynette: ZOMG YOU SPELLED INTELLECTUAL CORRECTLY! YOU MUST BE ONE TOO!

*chuckle*

 

Comments

This is one of the most beautiful/disturbing/hilarious things I have read all day. Okay, THE most.

 Alas, I still have trouble understanding that one person's reaction to the whole thing, CAPS and all... :/

[...] TN Atheist placed an interesting blog post on Belief, part 2Here’s a brief overviewYes!!! One of my best friends is Muslim. Oh, the grief she has received because she’s not of the mainstream religion in this country. [...]

For a second there, I thought you had the most awesome Facebook Connect module installed on this site.  Ha.

And as a Christian, it's sad to see the ingnorant and egotistical responses some are giving.  Sheesh.

Nope, no module. I wish, though. Having to copy all this stuff over wasn't fun, but I refuse to let it sit behind a walled garden where it can be taken down at his whim. Unfortunately, there's more where this came from.